Chamath confronts Buttigieg on immigration policy...

But the worse it feels to be in this country, the better off Donald Trump is. Whether he's running for president or whether he is president. And sending troops marching into the streets. Can I just say as the only immigrant right now on this podcast who immigrated here legally? I feel much safer and better under Donald Trump's presidency than I ever did under Biden's presidency. Just want you to hear from my mouth for what that's worth. Do you feel safer about the fact that a Latino doctor crossing the street in Washington DC is getting hassled because they're brown? I don't think that I've heard that. Now, okay, so you're not aware of any case in which a US citizen who is, you know, like, you know, but I will tell you for example, after 9/11, for example, for years, I had SSS on my boarding passes. And I was pulled over constantly. And people probably thought that I was a Muslim hijacker. So I know what it feels like to be harassed. And what I am telling you is I feel safer in this presidency than I have ever felt. And I'm just letting you know that. It's just my lived experience. I'm glad you feel safer. I'm worried about how much most Americans feel. Is it crossed your mind that if right now they started by going for people who are illegal, and then they've started roughing up people who are citizens but who are speaking up against the administration, that even if you feel safe now, in a country where that sort of thing can be done, where people can, you know, even comedians could lose their jobs for criticizing the government. Does any part of you wonder if that might ever come from you? Pete, it did come from me. Here's what I'm trying to tell you. After the Patriot Act passed after 9/11, I had to come to terms with the fact that even as a legal immigrant into the United States, I was going to get extra searches, I was going to get stopped. And it happened for six years. I came to terms with it. I put my head down and kept working. But then it didn't mean it was okay, right? It was a law that was passed. And people felt for whatever reason, that there was an amount of racial profiling that could happen then. And what I'm telling you is every immigrant class at some point has felt this. My point is it made things safer in the aggregate. It makes places safer. If you go to Washington DC, it is the safest it's ever been. And you hear this consistently from many, many brown and black people. I guess what I'm telling you is if you take the amount of money that it costs to do a full-scale military deployment in an American city and you just used it for improving funding for the police and mental health and a whole lot of other things, you probably get a pretty good result that way too. But I know there are a lot of people, and I have I have heard, you know, personal examples of people who are in some cases, US citizens, and in other cases, people who are here illegally, who no longer think it's even okay to go outside, who ask people to run errands for them, because of the atmosphere that has been created in Washington DC. So it's definitely not safer for them.