Caleb didn't even hesitate—Argument Ended in 1 Minute

Caleb: You know socialism has never worked. What socialism are you in favor for? Guest: I believe that... Caleb: Take a system. Guest: A system? Caleb: Take a system in the world that you are in favor of. Guest: Well... Caleb: That you would rather be our system. Guest: I just don't want it to be capitalism. Nor do I want it to be... Caleb: Take a system that you like and would like to replicate here. Guest: Capitalism. Caleb: Take a system please that has been proven to work in any country anywhere that is better than our system please. Guest: Capitalism. Caleb: Please find... Guest: That is not... Caleb: Okay, that's great. I hear, yes you have your talking points, that's wonderful. Now take a system that has worked anywhere better than here that you would rather have. Guest: Well that... your definition of better is like not valuing intrinsic value. Caleb: I don't give a fuck about my definition, your definition. I'm asking you to choose. Don't cater to my definition. Guest: And I'm choosing socialism. Caleb: No, no, no. Pick another country that is... Guest: That is... Capitalism. Caleb: Okay, okay. I just asked for a system. Guest: I value... Caleb: Here we go. Please, pick a system. One place, one place that according to your values you would rather do. Guest: New York. Caleb: That's not socialist. That's the most capitalist place in the world. Guest: But Momdani is out there doing socialist... Caleb: He's democratic socialist. Guest: Socialist. He still believes in capitalism. You know that, right? Caleb: That is still capitalist. All his policies are funded on the tax revenue generated by capitalism. That's capitalism. That is not worker-based socialism. Taxes come from the capitalist state still. So no, that is not socialist. But if that's what you like to see, then don't call yourself a socialist because that's not socialist, that's still capitalism. That's more Scandinavian, that's European, which is still funded on capitalist systems. I was hoping you were going to say something like Sweden or the UK. I was hoping you were going to say something like that, which are still objectively capitalist countries. Not socialist by any means of the imagination.