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You've been in so many rooms now with so many successful people, incredible entrepreneurs. What do you think is the most surprising thing you've noticed about the people at the top? Something that we'd be surprised or shocked to know. I was telling one of our mutual friends this other day. The people that talk lack frameworks and because they lack frameworks, they don't understand a concept of how the world works, which is actually very good because startups are built when you break frameworks, because you innovate, right? Which is why when you take someone in an industry that's been an industry for decades and them in. Often times like they don't innovate because they're like things have to be done this way because things have always been done this way. And again, B's up great examples of this where it's like they weren't transport experts, they weren't real stay experts. So they didn't have a framework of how things are supposed to be. People at the top completely lack framework because they didn't have decades of experience and because of that, they were able to innovate, but also they tell their employees. Like their employees might be like, that's impossible and they're like, I don't care. And their employees might be PhDs and they're like, no, literally, I've been doing this for 20 years. I have This is possible. And they'll just like, "No, it's not. Go do it."