Dr. Zeizel recounts his psychological evaluation of Lindsay Clancy

is that what she looked like when you first saw her? Yes um however she was also with her right arm as I recall shackled to the bed with a handcuffs so so they're not little soft little things that tie her hands to the side of the bed with the handcuffs they weren't soft they were regular but appeared to be metal handcuffs that police officers and preps officers in this court use for detaining people and arresting people so they were not soft while she's laying in the bed did she have the tubes and the wires for treatment in the emergency of the intensive care unit I should say yes was she intubated at that point Yes Was she intubated at that point if you recall she was not So she was able to speak yes Was she able to move other obviously she's chained to the bed so she couldn't get up she could not get up she couldn't move below her sternum the chest bone at that point had you and I met and talked about this case at all No What was the reason I asked you to go to the hospital You are worried about her mental health given the significant event that had just taken place a few days earlier you were concerned that she had absolutely no ability to have visitors visitors were not permitted to meet with her from family members to friends to a priest no one was able to see her so as a result of that um conversation we had you went to the hospital went into her room and you were able to speak to her is that correct Yes Can you tell the jurors if you recall um what type of um law enforcement presence uniform cops guns stuff like that What were what did you notice I noticed literally outside of her hospital room were two state troopers in their blue uniforms sitting each in a chair on either side of the doorway uh to Miss Clancy's room with a nurse sitting in the corner of her room when you went in to see her on that date was it your understanding she had recently been extubated in other words they removed the tube from her mouth Yes And do you recall the conversation that you had with Lindsay at that time Yes I did Tell the jury what your memory is The conversation I had with Miss Clancy at that time was one where I asked if she knew where she was So I did what's called a mental status exam a brief mental status exam It's orientation to time place location She didn't know where she was wasn't quite sure what time it was she knew who she was and uh she told me that she remembers what happened but it was very fuzzy and foggy at the time she had been on medication for the significant pain post surgery while in that hospital room and during the course of that interview with her did she express any concern to you about her husband Patrick yes She did tell the jury what she indicated to you She said since 11 days prior to my meeting with her which would have been January 24th 2023 she had no contact with Patrick she wanted to know how he was doing she wanted to know if she could call him and find out where things are with her and with him and how he was faring and to just speak with him She expressed concern about her family Yes she did Did she express concern about what had happened yes Yes Did she ask you or did you offer to her the ability to speak to her husband Patrick She asked me if she could use my cell phone to call her husband did she do that Yes she did Did you hear the conversation Yes I told her we'd call it would have to be on speakerphone And tell us about that conversation So that first phone phone call I believe on the 24th he did not pick up we left she left a message I did not leave a message we then called back two days later on the 6th and after the two days had transpired and the call was made on the 6th did she have a chance to talk to Patrick Yes Yes you there Yes was she still chained to the bed Yes Were the cops still outside the room yes Not in blues they were in civilian clothing jeans flannel shirts And tell us what she said to Patrick in your presence on the speakerphone at that point She had told Patrick that she loved him very much She was unable to express a lot of emotion but she expressed love for him And she had said that she heard a male voice ordering her telling her that she didn't have any choice but she had to kill her children and then kill herself