DeepSeek

DeepSeek was an example of a Chinese company figuring out how to develop the same capabilities of AI, these AI models, but for a significantly less fraction of computational resources. So this goes back to what I'm saying with the analogy to the fashion industry. It's not that I'm saying no one wear clothes, no one use AI. We should never have AI in the world. What I'm saying is that in the case of DeepSeek, DeepSeek illustrates the exact point that I'm making that it is in fact possible to produce AI, different types of AI, and also the same exact kind of AI with significantly less resources and therefore have a much less corrosive impact on community and planetary health. So why are we not doing that? But ultimately, are you more comfortable by the leaders in this industry being from the United States rather than from China? Even though you think there's a lack of governance, do you still think the fact that you and I can talk about the US players, these companies, in the way that we are, that there is again a degree of scrutiny and accountability, which is entirely absent in China on that field? I think there's a tendency a lot in the media to assume that the race is between the US and China, between nation states, rather than open versus closed models. And for me, I feel much more comfortable developing an open source ecosystem around AI innovation. And I feel comfortable if that open source model is coming from China or if it's coming from the US, because it's open, it's scrutinizable. It's something that can be audited. It can be improved on and built upon by many researchers and scientists around the world. Closed models simply don't do that. And there are plenty of open source models coming out of China as out of the US, but also the major dominant players that I critique are all closed.