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"Whoever goes to HR first usually wins" ⠀ Ethan Evans (Ex-Amazon VP): “50% of this is going to be who goes to HR first, because you get to set the framing, you get to make the complaint. ⠀ So one of the things I would totally do if I'm the manager is before I started saying stuff to you, I would send a little note to HR that says, hey, I just want to let you know I've noticed some challenges in Ryan's performance, I'm going to start working on them. ⠀ I just set the framing, and that way when you come to them to complain, you're running into this wall that I've already framed you as a non-performer. Going the other way, if you're the employee, you want to be the first one to HR about the situation. ⠀ And you want to frame it as not, I have a terrible manager, but you want to frame it as, I'm really trying to do great work for this company and I'm really struggling because of fact, fact, fact, citing behaviors of mine. ⠀ The second thing is if you want to win one of these uphill battles, you're probably going to need at least one other person to verify what you're doing. Like verify the problem. The third thing is it sure helps if you're a superstar, right? ⠀ 'Cause if you're Joe Average or below average, no one's gonna go out on a limb.” ⠀ For the full conversation, you can search Ethan Evans on my YouTube, Spotify or Apple Podcasts (link in bio)